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  1. Should health care be optional? A lot of people die in this country everyday because they can’t get health insurance. Are you pro choice when it comes to a Veteran paratrooper’s life (I can’t buy health insurance at any price and Bush cut Veterans off VA healthcare if they didn’t apply by Jan. 2003) I will die before I will leave my wife in the poor house). But you are pro life when it comes to abortion? I am quite ill by the way. Vote republican so 46 million Americans will remain without healthcare. By the way, Roe vs. Wade is about states rights. I am a Dem who is pro life.

  2. Well first off I want to say that theres no reason for you to rant. After all, pro choice won over long ago. My reason for being pro life has very little to do with morality, because as Im sure you know it is unethical to legislate morality. Its really very humanistic. It comes down to the rights of the unborn. I understand that some people like to construe that in certain situations that abortion should be justified like in cases of rape or incest. I know you’ll hate my feelings but they are just that “my feelings”. I dont think that abortion should be carried out under any circumstances unless going through the childbirth directly threatens the life of the mother or the child. I understand people like to bring rape up as their argument but most of the time abortions arent performed on rape victims. Even if they were, that would be a situation that there could be alternatives to. Theres the morning after pill, just to name one. I dont take this position to punish women in any way. I experienced this from both sides being the unborn and seeing it as a friend of a pregnant woman many times. As painful as this decision can be for these women they are adults and are more capable to deal with this than an unborn child. Anyway, thats pretty much all I got and btw someone called me a douchebag today for expressing my opinion. L8r

  3. For someone who doesn’t have a uterus and never had one, you certainly spend a lot of time preaching about an issue that is the womans decision to make – and ONLY her. She will make a decision based on her own needs and live with any morality/immorality she may feel about it.

    Until you can bear and birth a child – butt out. It is none of your business.

Abortion is immoral?

Question by Dark Helmet: Abortion is immoral?
First off, I tend to vote Democrat and could not be more against the Iraq War. Visit some other discussions on this site. You’ll see that I have big issues with conservative political policies. Secondly, Lawful does NOT = Right nor does it = correct! Your argument for relative morality I will agree does make sense on a grand scale. Peoples’ sense of morals can differ and still fall within the acceptable societal norm. However, for specific issues, morals are not relative, but concretely static! One of those morals is the right to live your life without it being intentionally taken away from you by another human being. Imagine your reaction if you were having a discussion with someone and they told you, with all sincerity, that they didn’t think killing or ending human life was morally wrong. Would you consider this person moral? Would you still talk to this person? My bet is that you would not. An overwhelming majority of people would think that this person was off their rocker and would avoid them like the plague. Furthermore, I still get a kick out of fellow debaters trying to discount my argument because they say I’ve based my belief on my religion. I have done no such thing (I haven’t gone to church regularly in years). I’ve used deductive logic, with science and the basic moral principle that I just mentioned above concerning right to life as my benchmarks, to form my conclusion. Science tells us that at conception, a living human cell is formed. It begins a process called mitosis, which is the process of cell division, or growth. Science also tells us that dead cells cannot divide and grow. If these cells are human cells, and they are growing, then from the above we can logically conclude that we do, in fact, have human life. And if we can, from above, mutually agree that human life has the right to complete their existence without being eliminated in an intentional way (society’s basic agreement on right to life), then we can conclude that abortion is morally wrong. It’s not a hard argument to follow. I do appreciate your history lesson with regards to the Courts rulings (I’m aware of the Court’s rulings, thank you), but again, they don’t really apply in our discussion unless you’re arguing that they’ve ruled on morality here. Which by the way, contradict your entire argument. I never argued that abortion was illegal, or that women didn’t have the legal right to have them done. What I did was say they didn’t have the moral right. What I did was call them immoral, based on irrefutable scientific fact, an irrefutable and binding societal contract to not end human life, and deductive reasoning. That’s actually ironic when you think about it. Here we have, as I said above, far left liberals arguing ethics and moral standards when it comes to economic and political matters, such as minimum wage fairness, characteristics of the free market, CEO golden parachutes, gaps in compensation between the elitists and proletariats, and desired government intervention during the oil price surge ( just to name a few). Yet, they can’t see how their own argument and position in this discussion is violating the most basic societal contract. There’s HUGE inconsistency on the left when it comes to a discussion about morals. But the real kicker is this: while there are pro lifers out there that are whacked and clearly have gone off the deep end, many pro lifers cite the same arguments I have, and we get accused of trying to set up a sectarian form of government to push our religious beliefs. And on the other hand, you have the pro choicers who contend that life doesn’t begin until birth. Of what are they basing that on in this MORAL argument? Science rejects their claim. So what then are they basing it on? The only thing that’s left is…faith.

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Answer by Lotus36
I forgot what is your question…oh yeah I don’t discuss abortion with men.

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